The banned from IFERS comments section is filling up with content that’s not really related to being banned.
If you’d like to discus, comment or babble on about FE please do so below.
I was banned from IFFERS site for posting the following video presentation ‘BEYOND THE FLAT EARTH’:
This is a new video the previous ‘beyond The Flat Earth’ presentation was deleted
Hi Vic, you probably got banned for suggesting folks should research themselves as opposed to getting all your info from ifers!
I’m enjoying reading the older sources of FE theory, written circa 1900. It’s amazing how little the establishment astronomer’s basic theories have changed since then. I recommend ‘Zetetic Cosmogony’. I find it’s language to be precise, polite and gently humorous. It can be found in PDF form.
I’ve not read it James but I have downloaded it from http://flatearthfiles.com/index.php/file/10-zetetic-cosmogony
And I will have a shuffty 😉 I can spend ages on FE video and websites and sometimes it just gets too much!
I hope more people would read, or at least skim these lovely old books. They’re out there for free, and have covered most of the FE issues we think about, before the world was further confused by exotic equations. I discovered flat earth on 29 dec 2015, and since then I have been on a steep learning curve. Who knows where it may end? Freedom? Cheers.
Nice one James, feel free to share anything good you find here 🙂
I just a seeker of truth.
Sorry, I cant seem to find a place to help inquire about my questions.
The facebook groups seems totally not serious an immature.
And im banned from ifers, which, i thought was a serious forum.
There seems to be many unsolved questions,
one question is about Atmospheric refraction.
The established GE gives the same answer, about light is bending (Atmospheric refraction)
That is why you can see objects further away, than what the curvature of earth, should allow.
I am having a debate with a Math professor and this is also his argument.
I never heard any counter argument.
how can Atmospheric refraction be debunked?
Would it be nice to have a list of all the GE main arguments, and the FE counter arguments?
And so on…
By the way.
The ultimate truth is, that the world is not real.
It is a projection out of conciousness, it is dream like stuff.
Says the vedas. It is not real becaus it is in constant change, and is made op of parts.
Conciousness under the influence of maya ( ignorence )is the world, and the earth.
The earth is not there, because it can not exist without an observer.
You. Counciousness is the only reality
Ultimately, I agree with you. However, here on solid Earth, we do still have a shared consensual reality which will still stub my big toe if I am not careful! Cheers.
I make you right Amano
My understanding is that refraction only shifts light, but does not curve it.
You could join the new (old anti-globe) forum at http://anti-globe.zero11s.bplaced.net/public_html/index.php
I just made my first FE proof yesterday! I went to the beach on fine hot day. I saw across the arc of the bay some hills, barely visible in the distance. So I went home and checked the satellite map of the bay. That distance D was 37 miles. The elevation of those hills is 508 ft. The elite-given formula for global curvature is 8 inches X D squared miles. So that’s 8 x (37 x 37) = 10952 inches divided by 12 = 912 feet. So 912 – 508 = a 404 foot towering suspended curved sea-water dome that should have obscured my view of those hills. But I saw them clearly, as I often do on a fine day. That’s one clear real world proof that the sea is FLAT! Cheers.
Nice one James
Funny how you fail to mention the elevation in relation to sea level (which is what your satellite map is telling you). Oh, and it also tells you this based on a global positioning system based on the satellite orbiting the Earth (how does that work on flat earth?)… You also fail to mention how tall you are, or exactly where you are standing (elevation). Lastly, your math is wrong, using the real formula, the obscuring of the object would be about 770 feet (not 404 feet). This is, of course on the assumption that both objects are exactly at sea level, and you are looking across from 6 feet above sea level (your approximate height). Your calculation assumes that you are looking from exactly sea level and that object is also at exactly sea level, and there is no subtracting in the formula.
So many experiments need to be done! Such as, why does the sun appear to shine beneath the clouds at sunset? I’m a flatty now, but there are many things I can’t account for yet.
Flat Earth Debate
Another society controlling the opposition 🙁
Lately I have been enjoying videos and podcasts by David Weiss. He has a website ‘Deep Inside The Rabbit Hole’. Also DITRH on Youtube. He has a very sharp mind and a quick tongue for debating Flat Earth proofs.
Hi James, I like Russianvids & Flat Water + Others. Beats me were some folk find the time to post so many and such long videos!
Yes Russianvids is good too. I think these people are obsessive and have the right skills. David Weiss has dark circles under his eyes like he has been glued to a screen 24/7 🙂
Hi flat earther’s. I want to open a discussion of both a flat and round earth according to the Vedic scripture named Srimad-Bhagavatam. Before I do I would like to say that one of our great Vedic scientists put forth a video for the way the sun moved on a plane called Bhu-mandala, which is a flat plane running accross the universe. This scientist was dead against the flat earth model, but since he passed away I see that his work is used by the flat-earthers and perfectly shows how the sun and moon move around the flat-earth. I mention this just so you understand the great wealth of information to be had from the Vedas.
Now, as far as our earth being 8 thousand miles in diameter, the Vedas state that it is cemi-circular in shape and is 2 thousand miles from south to north and 600 thousand miles from east to west. This is quite a difference from 8 thousand miles. As the rest of earth is not baron, for sure people live there.
Another important facet of Vedic understanding is that our earth is a part of a larger island that is called Jambudvipa which is circular and is 100 thousand miles across. My research has shown me that beings live within globes and from the inside that globe is comprised of water, land and air. As the land floats on the water (so to speak), everything wtihin the globe appears to be flat. The reason this is so is due to the position of the sun. If the sun is within the globe, the appearance is flat. However, if the sun is outside the appearance is that of a globe. I have undertaken much research and cannot write this in a short comment. The point is that it is quite possibile that we both live in a flat-earth and a globe, when seen from the outside. The present idea of us living on the surface and being held in place by gravity however, it nonsense. I have given a detailed explanation of gravity that aligns gravity with the first two laws of thermodynamics, and if one looses power gravity is seen as entropy. The opposite is electromagnetism, which is when we collect power (prana in Vedic terms). Anyway this is my contribution in such a short space.
Hi Isana, your post brings this cell shape to mind..
Interesting. I had an intuition of a ‘bubble-wrap’ universe, with lots of domes housing many kinds of people. Cheers.
I would like to apologize for a mistake I made earlier. I said that Jambu, which is the collective earthly regions, is 100 thousand miles, actually it is 800 thousand miles in diameter and circular.
In relation to the sun and moon being 3 thousand miles above the earth, the Vedas state that the sun is about 96 thousand miles away in outer space, however, near to the beginning of time one powerful mystic created a second sun around earth. The quote from Srimad-Bhagavatam is as follows:
While so excellently ruling the universe, King Priyavrata once became dissatisfied with the circumambulation of the most powerful sun-god. Encircling the universal Mount Meru on his chariot, the sun-god illuminates all the surrounding planetary systems. However, when the sun is on the northern side of the hill, the south receives less light, and when the sun is in the south, the north receives less. King Priyavrata disliked this situation and therefore decided to make daylight in the part of the universe where there was night. He followed the orbit of the sun-god on a brilliant chariot and thus fulfilled his desire. He could perform such wonderful activities because of the power he had achieved by worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead. (SB. 5.1.30)
The words “brilliant chariot” are code words that mean a “second sun”. Obviously this second sun is not as potent because it does not need to illuminate and heat the entire universe.
While our earth is a flat plane, at the same time it is a part of a larger island that is a globe. On a globe one finds the eight cardinal directions and two further directions of up and down. As our earth is in the southern-most part of the earthly globe, we are situated in the south-pole of the universe. When the actual sun moves on its course behind a cosmic mountain we receive 180 years of darkness. Priyavrata Maharaja wanted to give people on Earth equal opportunity, thus he created a second sun that exactly mimics the movements of the real sun. The ratio is 1:360, thus when 360 years pass here, one year passes in the heavens. The Vedas are very detailed in knowledge on these matters.
The way modern science has portrayed the universe is completely untrue. The universe is a highly structured place and everything is in proportion. Altogether there are seven circles of reality, each one surrounding the previous and thus being double in size. These are then divided by a flat-earthly plane, called Bhu-mandala, that runs across the middle of the cosmos. This divides the cosmos into fourteen areas, and makes the divides of the earthly regions, the upper heavenly regions, and the lower regions that are within water. The universe is run on thermodynamics from the earth up-over, and fluid-dynamics beneath the earth. The sun heats the universe, thus with his help people can become uplifted according to the thermodynamic principles of trapping energy/heat/power within the body. In the Vedas the sun-god is known as “he who enlarges the path to heaven”. Hope this info helps your cause. I have much more that will assist you all find the truth, but it takes up hundreds of pages.
I, like you, have been researching old maps/history (His Tree) for clues of our origin. I also believe the timeline has been altered more times than we can keep track of, as well as our linguistics. I think the “fall” put us in separate times, as well as languages for regions. That is our great confusion. ViperTV on YouTube studies the Sumerian Kings List very well, and it tells the story of Adam (but elaborates that he was NOT the only one, but the creation deemed “perfect”. The King James version only follows Adam’s bloodline. Who did Lilith mate with? What are the other bloodlines?
Long story short; Enkei was in charge of mining operations of Earth (gold and precious metals were needed because they had depleted their own atmosphere) and they created humans with (head scientist and brother?) Enlil to help with mining operations. Enlil taught us to all of our arts. His superiors were furious and repremanded him for making us “too much like them”. Enkei told all of his brethren (“the gods”) of the Antarctic Ice shelf slipping due to Niburo (their home planet) coming back into proximity with Earth. He commanded them to NOT tell us. Enlil told a human servant how to beat the inundation: an ARK that would survive underwater or above. That survivor (again) was NOT the only Patriarchy that survived; much like Adam was NOT the first man. After the flood, Enlil came back to Earth, landed in the Sea, and settled on Ararat where his follower (Noah) met up with him. His priests were THE PEOPLE IN FISH SUITS 😉
From what I understand from the translation of the Sumerian texts, Enkei has been referred to as “God” (yawhea, Ijahova, etc…) And Enlil (the one who actually saved humanity) as Satan, the serpent, etc.
It makes sense- God- blind obedience, slavery
Satan- quest for knowledge (deemed evil), self pleasure.
Interesting, isn’t it?
Yes, very interesting.