The banned from IFERS comments section is filling up with content that’s not really related to being banned.
If you’d like to discus, comment or babble on about FE please do so below.
I was banned from IFFERS site for posting the following video presentation ‘BEYOND THE FLAT EARTH’:
This is a new video the previous ‘beyond The Flat Earth’ presentation was deleted
Hi Vic, you probably got banned for suggesting folks should research themselves as opposed to getting all your info from ifers!
I’m enjoying reading the older sources of FE theory, written circa 1900. It’s amazing how little the establishment astronomer’s basic theories have changed since then. I recommend ‘Zetetic Cosmogony’. I find it’s language to be precise, polite and gently humorous. It can be found in PDF form.
I’ve not read it James but I have downloaded it from http://flatearthfiles.com/index.php/file/10-zetetic-cosmogony
And I will have a shuffty 😉 I can spend ages on FE video and websites and sometimes it just gets too much!
I hope more people would read, or at least skim these lovely old books. They’re out there for free, and have covered most of the FE issues we think about, before the world was further confused by exotic equations. I discovered flat earth on 29 dec 2015, and since then I have been on a steep learning curve. Who knows where it may end? Freedom? Cheers.
Nice one James, feel free to share anything good you find here 🙂
I just a seeker of truth.
Sorry, I cant seem to find a place to help inquire about my questions.
The facebook groups seems totally not serious an immature.
And im banned from ifers, which, i thought was a serious forum.
There seems to be many unsolved questions,
one question is about Atmospheric refraction.
The established GE gives the same answer, about light is bending (Atmospheric refraction)
That is why you can see objects further away, than what the curvature of earth, should allow.
I am having a debate with a Math professor and this is also his argument.
I never heard any counter argument.
how can Atmospheric refraction be debunked?
Would it be nice to have a list of all the GE main arguments, and the FE counter arguments?
And so on…
By the way.
The ultimate truth is, that the world is not real.
It is a projection out of conciousness, it is dream like stuff.
Says the vedas. It is not real becaus it is in constant change, and is made op of parts.
Conciousness under the influence of maya ( ignorence )is the world, and the earth.
The earth is not there, because it can not exist without an observer.
You. Counciousness is the only reality
Ultimately, I agree with you. However, here on solid Earth, we do still have a shared consensual reality which will still stub my big toe if I am not careful! Cheers.
I make you right Amano
My understanding is that refraction only shifts light, but does not curve it.
You could join the new (old anti-globe) forum at http://anti-globe.zero11s.bplaced.net/public_html/index.php
I just made my first FE proof yesterday! I went to the beach on fine hot day. I saw across the arc of the bay some hills, barely visible in the distance. So I went home and checked the satellite map of the bay. That distance D was 37 miles. The elevation of those hills is 508 ft. The elite-given formula for global curvature is 8 inches X D squared miles. So that’s 8 x (37 x 37) = 10952 inches divided by 12 = 912 feet. So 912 – 508 = a 404 foot towering suspended curved sea-water dome that should have obscured my view of those hills. But I saw them clearly, as I often do on a fine day. That’s one clear real world proof that the sea is FLAT! Cheers.
Nice one James
So many experiments need to be done! Such as, why does the sun appear to shine beneath the clouds at sunset? I’m a flatty now, but there are many things I can’t account for yet.
Flat Earth Debate
Another society controlling the opposition 🙁
I am extremely new. Just last night I heard of this and am so curious… With what I initially feel about this theory is that we are on a plane… And the plane is infinite. It spreads across the entire universe. Dotted by suns above and below. The sun rises above and below us, remaining to be our lands sun, just as other lands further down the plane have their suns..
If the sun revolved around us, it would still set beneath our clouds on the horizon
Lately I have been enjoying videos and podcasts by David Weiss. He has a website ‘Deep Inside The Rabbit Hole’. Also DITRH on Youtube. He has a very sharp mind and a quick tongue for debating Flat Earth proofs.
Hi James, I like Russianvids & Flat Water + Others. Beats me were some folk find the time to post so many and such long videos!
Yes Russianvids is good too. I think these people are obsessive and have the right skills. David Weiss has dark circles under his eyes like he has been glued to a screen 24/7 🙂
Hi flat earther’s. I want to open a discussion of both a flat and round earth according to the Vedic scripture named Srimad-Bhagavatam. Before I do I would like to say that one of our great Vedic scientists put forth a video for the way the sun moved on a plane called Bhu-mandala, which is a flat plane running accross the universe. This scientist was dead against the flat earth model, but since he passed away I see that his work is used by the flat-earthers and perfectly shows how the sun and moon move around the flat-earth. I mention this just so you understand the great wealth of information to be had from the Vedas.
Now, as far as our earth being 8 thousand miles in diameter, the Vedas state that it is cemi-circular in shape and is 2 thousand miles from south to north and 600 thousand miles from east to west. This is quite a difference from 8 thousand miles. As the rest of earth is not baron, for sure people live there.
Another important facet of Vedic understanding is that our earth is a part of a larger island that is called Jambudvipa which is circular and is 100 thousand miles across. My research has shown me that beings live within globes and from the inside that globe is comprised of water, land and air. As the land floats on the water (so to speak), everything wtihin the globe appears to be flat. The reason this is so is due to the position of the sun. If the sun is within the globe, the appearance is flat. However, if the sun is outside the appearance is that of a globe. I have undertaken much research and cannot write this in a short comment. The point is that it is quite possibile that we both live in a flat-earth and a globe, when seen from the outside. The present idea of us living on the surface and being held in place by gravity however, it nonsense. I have given a detailed explanation of gravity that aligns gravity with the first two laws of thermodynamics, and if one looses power gravity is seen as entropy. The opposite is electromagnetism, which is when we collect power (prana in Vedic terms). Anyway this is my contribution in such a short space.
Hi Isana, your post brings this cell shape to mind..
Interesting. I had an intuition of a ‘bubble-wrap’ universe, with lots of domes housing many kinds of people. Cheers.
I would like to apologize for a mistake I made earlier. I said that Jambu, which is the collective earthly regions, is 100 thousand miles, actually it is 800 thousand miles in diameter and circular.
In relation to the sun and moon being 3 thousand miles above the earth, the Vedas state that the sun is about 96 thousand miles away in outer space, however, near to the beginning of time one powerful mystic created a second sun around earth. The quote from Srimad-Bhagavatam is as follows:
While so excellently ruling the universe, King Priyavrata once became dissatisfied with the circumambulation of the most powerful sun-god. Encircling the universal Mount Meru on his chariot, the sun-god illuminates all the surrounding planetary systems. However, when the sun is on the northern side of the hill, the south receives less light, and when the sun is in the south, the north receives less. King Priyavrata disliked this situation and therefore decided to make daylight in the part of the universe where there was night. He followed the orbit of the sun-god on a brilliant chariot and thus fulfilled his desire. He could perform such wonderful activities because of the power he had achieved by worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead. (SB. 5.1.30)
The words “brilliant chariot” are code words that mean a “second sun”. Obviously this second sun is not as potent because it does not need to illuminate and heat the entire universe.
While our earth is a flat plane, at the same time it is a part of a larger island that is a globe. On a globe one finds the eight cardinal directions and two further directions of up and down. As our earth is in the southern-most part of the earthly globe, we are situated in the south-pole of the universe. When the actual sun moves on its course behind a cosmic mountain we receive 180 years of darkness. Priyavrata Maharaja wanted to give people on Earth equal opportunity, thus he created a second sun that exactly mimics the movements of the real sun. The ratio is 1:360, thus when 360 years pass here, one year passes in the heavens. The Vedas are very detailed in knowledge on these matters.
The way modern science has portrayed the universe is completely untrue. The universe is a highly structured place and everything is in proportion. Altogether there are seven circles of reality, each one surrounding the previous and thus being double in size. These are then divided by a flat-earthly plane, called Bhu-mandala, that runs across the middle of the cosmos. This divides the cosmos into fourteen areas, and makes the divides of the earthly regions, the upper heavenly regions, and the lower regions that are within water. The universe is run on thermodynamics from the earth up-over, and fluid-dynamics beneath the earth. The sun heats the universe, thus with his help people can become uplifted according to the thermodynamic principles of trapping energy/heat/power within the body. In the Vedas the sun-god is known as “he who enlarges the path to heaven”. Hope this info helps your cause. I have much more that will assist you all find the truth, but it takes up hundreds of pages.
How many flat earth believers out there in the ‘western world’? My guess is about 20,000 and rising.
More than that I reckon?
Good Afternoon Rob, I have just watched a video about the flat earth which was very interesting and a bit different from yours. I thought you may be interested in watching it. The name of the U Tube video is; The Biggest Secret Ever Kept in History REVEALED! – The link is; https://youtu.be/v8qwg2EyHXg
Thank you, Maria
DO NOT LET THE FLAT EARTH DISTRACT YOU FROM WHAT IS GOING ON NOW… THEY ARE USING IT AS A DISTRACTION TOOL..
CONCEIVED IN AMERICA – BORN IN IRAQ – REARED IN JORDAN – TRAINED BY MOSSAD – FINANCED BY SAUDIS
Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East and advance Israeli interests.
They call themselves Islamic State (IS). They pretend to be a new caliphate.
But their behavior is radically un-Islamic… even satanic. And their so-called caliphate is actually a false-flag operation against Islam.
A better acronym would be US (Unislamic State). The initials are apt, since Unislamic State is the creation of the US and its regional allies. Their mission is to smear Islam, spread sectarian strife, destabilize the Middle East, and provide an excuse for endless US intervention in the Islamic world.
Former al-Qaeda commander Nabil Na’eem has exposed Unislamic State as a creation of the US and its Persian Gulf puppets. The intellectual authors of this Fourth Generation Warfare operation are neoconservative Zionists and New World Order satanists. The victims are the people of the Middle East… and the American people, who have been bled dry by the 9/11 wars.
Na’eem has explained that the camps in Jordan where Unislamic State was created, armed, and trained were “supervised by US Marines.” He adds that the group’s funding is “all-American” and that more than one thousand of its terrorists are being treated in hospitals in Tel Aviv.
Unislamic State sponsors sham marriages to disguise liaisons with prostitutes. They rape and murder people purely on the basis of religious belief. They are committing genocide against religious minorities in Iraq and Syria, just as the Zionists are committing genocide in Palestine. They are doing everything possible to make Islam look bad.
This has nothing to do with Islam. It has everything to do with the false-flag-based, 9/11-triggered New World Order war on Islam.
The grotesquely un-Islamic nature of Unislamic State is on display for all the world to see. These people post “selfie” videos cannibalizing the inner organs of battlefield corpses. This is the tradition of Hind – one of the worst-ever enemies of Islam – not the tradition of Islam, which insists on chivalrous battlefield behavior more fervently than any other group in history ever has. (The whole conception of chivalry, or futuwwa, is an Islamic invention that came to the West through al-Andalus, otherwise known as Islamic Spain.)
The terrorists’ most recent youtube outrage: A video showing Unislamic State terrorists slaughtering Kurdish members of the Yazidi faith. The helpless Yazidi civilians are tied up, blindfolded, forced to kneel… and then their throats are cut as the satanic terrorists chant “Allah, accept our (human) sacrifice.”
This behavior is not just un-Islamic. It is satanic.
The word for sacrificial animal in Islam is qurban. Every year during Eid al-Adha, the biggest Islamic holiday, Muslims sacrifice a sheep to commemorate God’s staying the hand of Abraham, who had prepared to sacrifice his son. The Eid holiday celebrates this event, which decisively put an end to human sacrifice for the whole monotheistic tradition of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Calling a human being a qurban, and then cutting his throat, is the most insanely sacrilegious practice anyone could imagine. Any Muslim with a first-grade religious education knows that a person who does such a thing must be a satanist, not a Muslim.
The chief hallmark of satanism is its refusal of monotheism’s decisive rejection of human sacrifice. Whereas the biggest holiday for Christians is Christmas, which celebrates the end of human sacrifice through the birth of the Messiah – and the biggest holiday for Muslims is Eid, which celebrates the abolition of human sacrifice through the story of Abraham and his son – satanists use an assortment of pagan holidays as excuses to sacrifice innocent people, mostly children, at their blood-soaked altars.
When someone claiming to be Muslim conducts a ritual sacrifice of a human qurban, as the Unislamic State terrorists do, they are performing a satanic parody of the Muslim Eid ritual. Such parodies are another hallmark of satanism. Throughout the history of Christendom, satanists have held “black masses” in which the Catholic mass is parodied and victims are sacrificed… just as the Muslim Eid sacrifice is parodied by the Unislamic State terrorists’ slaughter of innocents.
How did this group of satanists posing as “radical Muslims” appear on the scene? Understanding the background of Unislamic State requires a background briefing on the Fourth Generation Warfare techniques of the satanic New World Order elite.
The Western ruling elite is infested with satanists, who are a prime force behind the “war on terror,” which is actually a war on Islam and a war on God. Whistleblower Kay Griggs, the former wife of a US military officer, has documented the satanists’ penetration of the highest levels of the US military. Griggs says her husband forced her to participate in the most disgusting satanic rituals imaginable. She explains that these satanic practices are commonplace among top US military commanders.
One of the main strategists of the Fourth Generation Warfare operation known as the “War on Terror” is Col. Michael Aquino, the former head of all US military psychological warfare operations. Before being promoted to the post of Psy-Ops Chief, Aquino was expelled from the Church of Satan for being too evil, and then implicated in one of the most horrific child abuse scandals in American history.
It’s amazing what you have to do to get promoted in the US military.
Many of America’s top satanists are members of Skull and Bones, a group whose initiation ritual is too disgusting to be described here. The whole Bush family is Skull and Bones. This group dominates the drug-dealing wing of the CIA, and is reputed to engage in larcenies that occasionally total in the trillions of dollars. Examples include the theft of Japanese gold after World War II, and the looting of Leo Wanta’s 27.5-trillion-dollar haul from the CIA demolition of the USSR’s currency during the final decade of the Cold War.
The satanists’ New World Order project took a quantum leap forward in 2001. Their War on God was product-launched by the 9/11 public relations stunt, a satanic ritual mass human sacrifice that doubled as a global mind-control operation. For the gory details proving 9/11 was a satanic ritual, read S.K. Bain’s The Most Dangerous Book in the World, William Ramsey’s Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Order, and Mujahid Kamran’s 9/11 and the New World Order… and listen to my Truth Jihad Radio interview with scholar Tom Breidenbach entitled “Was 9/11 a Human Sacrifice?”
One of the ways the satanists wage their War on Islam is by staging grotesque parodies of Islamic rituals and practices. For example, the World Trade Center – which was built by the Rockefellers expressly for destruction in the 9/11 satanic sacrifice – included a sphere “designed by trade center architect Minoru Yamasaki to mimic the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Masjid al-Haram, in which The Sphere stood at the place of the Kaaba” (Wikipedia). That sphere, representing the parodied kaaba – the cube in Mecca toward which all Muslims pray – was destroyed in the immolation of the Twin Towers and their inhabitants.
The satanists also parodied Islam by having the patsies hired to play the role of “9/11 hijackers” engage in ludicrously un-Islamic behavior. The Mossad impersonator playing the role of Mohamed Atta relished pork chops, strip clubs, hard liquor, drugs, and gambling excursions. The other “radical Muslim hijackers” led similar lifestyles. The night before 9/11, they got drunk in a bar and left an alcohol-soaked Qur’an on their table.
The day after 9/11, the authorities claimed they had solved the case by recovering Mohamed Atta’s supposed last will and testament from a suitcase that miraculously was left off the supposed Flight 11, which allegedly hit the North Tower. Atta’s alleged will begins: “In the name of God, myself, and my family…” This absurd opening is a satanic parody of the Islamic bismillah: “In the name of God, the merciful the compassionate.”
No Muslim would ever write the blasphemous phrase Atta supposedly wrote. And no hijacker planning to crash a plane into a building would put his will in his suitcase that was supposed to be aboard the plane.
And no Muslim would even dream of asking God to accept their sacrifice… and then sacrifice a human being. Such a thing is unimaginable.
The New World Order satanists are laughing at us. Their laughter is truly diabolical.
And the Unislamic State’s pseudo-caliphate – a psychological warfare operation designed to impede the very “Islamic unity” project that the notion of the caliphate symbolizes – is one of their sickest jokes.
Press TV has conducted an interview with Webster Griffin Tarpley, an author and historian, from Washington, to discuss the crisis in the Middle East.
What follows is an approximate transcription of the interview.
–Press TV: In your perspective, if the United States and its Western and regional allies had not actually supported and created armed groups in Syria to fight against the Syrian government would we be seeing the same situation as we’re witnessing today with ISIL?
–Tarpley: I think the fact of the matter is that NATO forces, the United States, Britain and France, are very much behind the creation of ISIS or ISIL. The general idea is that these were fighters that were trained in those NATO camps in Jordan.
The money comes from Saudi Arabia. The main moneybag seems to be Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal. He’s the brother of Saud Al-Faisal, the Foreign Minister, also the brother of Prince Turki, the former Ambassador here to the United States.
The people composing this group have been brought in from Libya at the end of 2011. I’m afraid Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi played a role in that. They were transferred to Turkey and then moved into northern Syria. It’s a well-known group of death squad fanatics starting off as unemployed men with no future despair and so forth, and then given this to do.
” Western ruling elite is infested with satanists …” This is manifestly true.
Hi, my name is charlie an I’m new to the flat earth theory. My questioning of truths began with a UFO sighting at age 14 and it increased with the realization that 911 was orchestrated by the government. I watched your presentation on that Macedonian show and enjoyed it, but I have some questions. You say you don’t believe in the existence of space outside the dome and that aliens are a fantasy designed to make people feel small. But I, and millions of other credible and honest people have seen UFOs firsthand. That doesnt mean they’re all aliens, or any of them, but it means that there are people here who have technology that regular people aren’t allowed to know about. In several ancient religious artworks there is spacecraft depicted, which leads me to believe UFOs have been around for a long time, and possibly been misinterpreted and forgotten. And you say that evolution doesn’t exist which can’t be, otherwise 4 feet would still be the average height of a human being. If we were created the way we are now we would have had cars and smartphones from the get go. To me the dome represents our true purpose. What do scientists use in order to observe behaviors and results? Controlled environments. I believe we are here as their experiment. They want to know how long could it take for a primitive civilization to achieve true enlightenment and I see Christianity in particular as the greatest obstacle in our path. Just curious to hear your thoughts.
Hi Charlie, I can not take credit for the majority of videos on this site. I’m sure I’ve seen UFOs too at least on 3 occasions each being totally different.
Lately I’ve been taking a back seat with regard to the FE because I have so much else to do 🙂 I feel you can get wrapped up in it all too easily and it can become an obsession.
“otherwise 4 feet would still be the average height of a human being” ???? where did you get this from?
“so-called” scientists: people who call themselves scientists but do not actually think and work according to scientific principles on a consistent basis, thus distorting whatever conclusions they may come to.
Logic and sound reasoning has NOT been taught in schools for a very long time. Just because one may study a subject and participate in “scientific experiments” does not mean he/she is a scientists in the true sense. Just like today’s media employees are not actually true journalists because they are merely paid story tellers.
It has been said by a very clever person: it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they’ve been fooled. That is so true for the vast majority of humans. Has something to do with ego, pride,conceit.
Please have a look at the “Miracle of the Sun” Fatima Portugal, 1917, witnessed by 70,000. The children to whom she appeared ask her for a sign so people will believe. Our Lady who gives an urgent message about the state of the world promises a proof in October. Crowds gather including those who want to discredit the message. Our Lady who has each month come from out of the sky above.calls the sun out of the sky, As it moves it looks to the terrified crowd and people from miles around like it was wobbling and coming closer. It appears like a flat disc.
But it was more than a vision. Many of the crowd had come the day before, it had rained heavily all night and the field was a mud bath. It continued to rain until the apparition. Everyone was dirty and wet after the “dance of the sun” everyone was clean and dry. I myself in the early 80s spoke to someone who had witnessed it.
Examine the Miracle there was no CGI, this was a very poor backward area of a poor country. Then move on to the message…this is the important thing.
Your geocentric model of the movement of the stars and planets is contradicting the evidence from across the world – please review:
So…idiots..maybe ONE of you will be the first one to take me up on that challenge. Look at all the flat earth maps. Notice something…You LITERALLY can’t find two land masses that are farther apart (other than the silly ring of the south “pole) than Australia and Chile. Agreed? So tell me then…why can’t Australians see the North Star (common answer given by the uneducated idiots…too far away) but DOES see the same stars as Chileans. They are literally TWICE AS FAR away from Chile as they are from the North Pole. So it can’t be distance!
wait…let me guess. There is really only ONE set of Southern stars. But “they” trick us by projecting holograms of the stars to all the parts to make it look like all southerners see the same stars. IT is always holograms to you idiots. Thousands of years ago t”they” were projecting holograms to the southern sky. And they faked it SO precisely that sailors could use those fake stars to navigate very accurately.
Hi Flat Earther, hi everybody,
I wish I had more time for researching. Since I knew in 2015 many new things have been written, discovered, tested. It’s clear that the subject causes big friction. Many places in this world have still not any idea about this discussion that mainly developed in English blogs and channels. Amazing is how the media are constantly trying to ridicule it and how many false agents are promoted by YouTube. Like others I had so many disappointments following some FE channels that later turned out to work for the people or whatever they are on the top. I stay with the simple, the weather balloon projects and the NikonCoolpixP900 experiments.
I was watching recently some flat earth maps, comparing them and found something. There are two types of flat earth maps! The conclusion is that this huge hoax or fraud of the planet happened at least twice. Yes, they swapped the physiognomy of the Earth twice. So, as far as I know, there is A)in maps before Columbus: flat Earth with Jerusalem in the middle of the Earth (with the “medi” “terraneum) and the Paradise outside the outer circle (made of contintents, not of frozen land) in the East, B) in maps after Columbus: flat Earth with Paradise or North Pole in the middle of the Earth, and outer circle made of ice walls and C) the globe Earth with “hell” in the centre and the frozen North Pole at the top.
Columbus was an ancient 9/11, for sure. All ancient maps indicate that Australia, America,..were known to many ancient civilisations before Columbus and that travelling around the world was something normal. The elite lied to us manipulating the information about the Earth and space and they are totally lying about our history. They are hiding land. And they are hiding the middle of the Earth for some important reason.
They! Who are they? Have you seen the scandal that is going on with the top people lately? It is not only that they abduct our children and abuse them, thousands every year, through schools, through extra scholar activities, through a corrupt social services/hospital/police net. Something even more terrifying and shocking is emerging and with it perhaps the idea that those on the top are not even human and that they were there since long long time ago. They probably eat us and they use our flesh the same as they feed dead domestic and wild animals to our pets in pet food. The shape of our Earth is not the only and biggest hoax. This has just started to explode but it looks they are going to cover it up on time with war. Probably like they did before.
Stay connected, start to use radios, bury FE timecapsules, start synchronized projects with others in other parts of the world to observe the routes of the celestial bodies, launch weather balloons with different types of lenses, filters. Don’t stop researching and making questions.
Good luck to everybody!
I’m making a documentary about flat earth and I was wondering if anyone would like to speak on camera about the theory and everything related to it? All backgrounds and knowledge levels welcome.
email me on: email@example.com if you are interested or know anyone that might be interested
I am now a “flat earther” I have seen a lot of info but cannot find the answer to this question. When the sun circles the the flat earth closer to to north it is summer and it takes 24 hours per day. I live in Australia and when the sun circles here it has to travel further but it is still a 24 hour day. Can someone explain this for me?
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